Grumman TC-4C 'Academe'

Notes: C-4A modified as a bombardier/navigator trainer.

  Base model:C-4
  Designation System:U.S. Tri-Service
  Designation Period:1962-Present
  Basic role:Transport
  Modified Mission:Trainer

  Length: 67' 11" 20.7 m
  Wingspan: 78' 4" 23.8 m
  Gross Weight: 36,000 lb 16,326 kg

  No. of Engines: 2
  Powerplant: Rolls-Royce Dart 529-8X
  Horsepower (each): 2185


Operators (Past and Present)
USN VA-42 Oceana VA
USN VA-128 Whidbey Island WA
USMC VMAT(AW)-202 Cherry Point SC

Known serial numbers
155722 / 155730

Examples of this type may be found at
National Museum of Naval AviationNAS PensacolaFlorida


Recent comments by our visitors
 Richard Chase
 Ash Fla, AR
Was stationed with VMAT(aw)202 1970-71 as ground support tech(6076). Mustered out summer 1971 to other duties.
We had at the time the best pilots, B/Ns that the Corps had to offer.
The TC-4C was the best multi-seat trainer ever!
Miss those days on the line getting the planes ready for flight and glad to see all return safely, tho we did have a few close calls.
Just wonder how many of my brothers are still around.

11/09/2015 @ 14:07 [ref: 69312]
 Chuck Carlisle
 Lincoln, AL
I logged about 1500 hours as a flying PC in the back of the TIC out of Whidbey from 89-92. After flying Whales for several years, I didn't know there were airplanes that slow. It was a really reliable airplane, however, and would definately get you home. We flew them a lot and, because it was so ugly, got invited to a lot of airshows all over North America. If you liked flying, it was good shore duty. Max Melton(MCPO Ret) and his merry band of retired enlisted maintainers were the best maintenance guys I ever worked with. Those planes were very well cared for and we rescued a lot of broke A-6s/EA-6Bs from all the squadrons at Whidbey.
10/02/2014 @ 01:53 [ref: 68679]
 Alan J Dunn
 York, ME
Thats Cherry Pt NC
I worked on the TC Line and flew as a crew chief from 77 thru 82.
Good times. I miss the guys.
Used to feel bad for the BN students in the back of the hot, smelly and rough riding plane.
Struck by lightning airborne, couple single eng lands and insane training flights with 30 touch and goes
Semper fi
Gysgt Ret
01/31/2014 @ 13:51 [ref: 68331]
 The Rev. Stephen Miller
 Jefferson, NC

I was the B/N training officer at VMAT(AW) 202 and your next door neighbor at the time of the crash. I was on the squadron accident investigation board. Despite pressure to say pilot error was involved, we were able to show that it was due to mechanical failure of an aircraft engine part causing a wind milling propeller. This is what caused the crash. This caused a new emergency procedure for any aircraft using the same engine as the TC-4C. (your aunt used to baby sit my daughter at Cherry Point.


Steve Miller
01/28/2014 @ 09:27 [ref: 68327]
 Tom Chasteen
 Lodi, OH
Dear All,

I am a former Capt in the Marine Corps, flew A6 Intruders in 533. Wayne Patton was my tent mate, and Joe Fink was my best friend in combat. I have just written a story about our flight from Nam Phong back to Iwakuni. I also have a few photo of Joe. If anyone has any questions about those men, please email me at tacabc123@yahoo.com.

Semper Fi
12/17/2012 @ 10:42 [ref: 67425]
 William R. Collins
 Willis, TX
Dawn Allen,
Ed Allen who was the B/N instuctor on that aircraft was a friend of mine back in the 70s. Ed and I were B/Ns. I became a pilot in 1973. I was at Cherry Point that terrible day when that accident occurred. We lost so many good men. I later flew the TC-4C aircraft in 1979,and I know that your dad did not nor could he have done anything wrong as the B/N Instuctor. He was in the back and during that phase of the flight and he would have been strapped into his seat. He was a great Marine and human being. I can picture him now as a young Marine. We called him "Machine Gun Allen" because of his wonderful laugh which sounded like a machine gun. We all liked him and admired him. I was at his funeral and I believe he was buried in New Bern.
04/22/2012 @ 10:52 [ref: 56220]
 Harold Parker
 Mason, TX
I was on VMA(AW-224s flight line when the crash ocurred. Watched it taxi out and a little later saw the smoke in the tree line... Still have the newspaper clipping...
03/24/2012 @ 08:15 [ref: 54424]
 Paula Patton Snook
 Somerton,, AZ
Dear Dawn -

I am so sorry that you have wondered throughout the years if your father, Ed, did anything to cause the accident of the TC-4C in 1975. Your father was not flying the plane. He was where he as supposed to be - in the back as the instructor for the BNs. It was a mechanical failure that caused the crash. Joe Fink was probably the most experienced TC pilot at the time. If the crash could have been prevented I'm sure between he and Wayne Patton (my husband)would have been the two to save it but it was not to be. I hope this has eased your mind.

Paula Patton Snook
03/13/2012 @ 10:27 [ref: 54251]
 Tom Chasteen
 , OH
Capt Joseph Fink(e) and Capt Wayne Patton were friends of mine. I will write a story about Joe (my wingman and best friend in combat) soon. Joe and Wayne were the pilot and co-pilot on the TC4C. Semper Fi!!!
11/04/2011 @ 00:53 [ref: 49969]
 Doug Smith
 Jacksonville, FL
I was the NCOIC of the TC line from 82 to 84 or so...There was a plaque in the passageway upstairs after the squadron moved to the new hangar. The plaque listed the names and the date of the crash
I don't remember what it said and i have no idea what happened to it after the squadron closed in 86...
Perhaps it went to MAG 14
10/18/2011 @ 08:26 [ref: 49610]


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